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(Unedited) Podcast Transcript 588: What Does It Cost to Build a Bus?

August 5, 2026

This week on the Talking Headways podcast we’re joined by Lisa Jerram of APTA and Philip Plotch of the Eno Center for Transportation to discuss Eno’s report: Customization, Competition, and Costs: Findings and Recommendations for the U.S. Transit Bus Industry. We discuss what agencies want in a bus and why, the differences in European and US bus markets, and why customization standardization is hard to achieve.

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Thermal Comfort in Cities

One of the reasons I love living in San Francisco, OK the major reason, is the weather. After growing up in Houston and Bakersfield CA, I noticed that my body just responded better to less heat, especially after running so many miles. When I used to go race at Stanford, I felt extra energized and less lethargic before and after the runs and races.

And don’t get me wrong, I loved my neighborhood in Houston and living in Austin. There are so many wonderful people there doing amazing work creating amazing places. But being permanently below 70 degrees for the most part with fog below 60 much of the time is energizing when you already run hot.

And sometimes I forget what heat is like though I lived through it for so many years. We visited my cousin last week in the Central Valley and it was 101 degrees. Luckily her pool was cool but it’s clear that type of temperature isn’t sustainable for human kind.  After leaving, just going up to 5,000 feet into the Sierras to 85 degrees in the shade of towering trees was an amazing difference in thermal comfort.

As the world heats up we’ll need to consider how to making walking and biking more pleasant, even in hotter climates. This means cooling places down through interventions such as water features, tree planting, and designing buildings with shade.

As Federica Buricco notes in an article in Building Design, there’s a lot we can learn from cities with hotter climates in Southern Europe or the Middle East. Small public spaces with shade, vegetation, and water are ideal compared to wide streets and large open spaces that allow the sun to beat down on people.

She also notes that we often measure transportation access in speed and efficiency rather than comfort, but as Blaine Brownell also notes from an item in yesterday’s newsletter, permeability that makes walking more fun and exploratory while also being intuitive and comfortable would be beneficial to encourage more active transportation.

In the shade of the Sierras the heat didn’t seem so bad, we can design our cities to provide that comfort too.

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Talking Headways Flashback: Megan Kimble Talks Highway Expansion in Texas

We’re on vacation this week but we’re flashing back to Episode 482 from two years ago featuring Megan Kimble discussing her book City Limits.  Soon we’ll have Patrick Kennedy on the show and some of this work goes very well with his so I thought it would be a good one to bring back. Hope folks enjoy it!

This week we’re joined by Megan Kimble to talk about her book  City Limits: Infrastructure, Inequality, and the Future of America’s Highways. We chat about the folks fighting back against highways, the history behind building big roads, and what the future looks like for advocacy.


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Mondays Flashback: The Messiness of Family Travel

July 27, 2026

We’re on vacation this week but we’re flashing back to episode 422 of Talking Headways from a couple of years ago featuring one of our favorites, Jennifer Kent. We’ll be back in a few weeks but I hope folks enjoy this one.

This week we’re joined by  Dr. Jennifer Kent, Senior Research Fellow in Urbanism at the University of Sydney, to talk about her work on family transportation, the messiness of travel for parents, and loneliness and the built environment.

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(Unedited) Podcast Transcript 587: Dangerous by Design

July 22, 2026

This week on the Talking Headways podcast, Steve Davis of Smart Growth America joins the show to talk about their most recent edition of Dangerous by Design. We chat about where we stand on pedestrian traffic deaths in the United States, the data collected to tell the story, and creating consequences for not improving safety.

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Fundamental Truths About Cities and Urban Growth

A few weeks ago I got to chat with Bill Fulton about a number of topics on the podcast but one that continues to stick out to me is how urban growth and change around the country is clashing with any number of current trends from the silver tsunami to work from home. Along with the climate crisis I’m wondering if all of these things will come to a head at some point in a rather spectacular way for better or worse.

Today there’s an item in the Texas Tribune about downtown Dallas losing sports teams and fortune 500 companies to its suburbs and all that comes along with it. Many would see a downturn narrative where I might see it as more of a mixed bag pointing towards a need to think about more fundamental truths about urban growth and cities.

We know that sports teams on net don’t generate the same amount of value that they request from cities. Of course businesses such as hotels and bars/restaurants surrounding arenas are likely to suffer, but the overall economic impact is negligible. So much so that many of these teams are using new stadiums to be the center of real estate deals that use the sports as a kind of loss leader to bring property investment.

We also know from decades of economic development practice that giving tax breaks for one company to build its headquarters in a city is not a winning strategy either. The companies are seeking benefits in their best interests and not the city’s which creates more value for the companies than they give back. In fact, most job growth which creates value for regions comes from internal promotion and hiring among small and medium size businesses.

Yet the Dallas suburbs are growing at a fast pace and generating press which creates a narrative conundrum for a city that data shows lost almost 2,000 residents last year. It’s hard to push back against those headwinds once they begin.

But after talking to Bill this should also ring alarm bells for the State of Texas as well. As he noted, Texas growth from migration is slowing and many of the places that are facing the same growth acceleration as Texas once did are in the South. Georgia, North Carolina, Tennessee.

Once the growth spigot is turned off as migration slows and birthrates level out what is left? The value that was created through asset investments along the way. The transportation networks built and the housing allowed that keep future costs low. The care systems and climate adaptation that prepare for an unknown future.

That doesn’t matter much for companies and sports teams because they are never left holding the bag. They’ll chase the quick fix while cities and regions must be really diligent about long term value creation and sustainable returns. So Dallas shouldn’t be worried about what’s leaving, but rather how they improve life for those that stay, and those who want to come.

Sara Hendren said to us in an interview about her book on disability that people in wheelchairs are only disabled by a world full of stairs. How we build and adapt our cities for the future will determine how good life will be down the line.

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(Unedited) Podcast Transcript 586: SF Muni to the Future

July 15, 2026

This week on the Talking Headways podcast we’re joined by SFMTA Director of Transportation Julie Kirschbaum. She discusses making system improvements, rising customer satisfaction, lessons from the pandemic on ridership and operations, as well as Muni’s cultural connection to the city.

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Below is a full AI generated transcript, unedited but still quite good.

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As Insurance Rises, An Underlying Problem Isn’t Addressed

Right now insurance is a window into the public psyche. As the values and prices of homes and cars go up, as well as the cost of replacement, insurance rates follow. Often harshly. This leads us to look for solutions and new ideas for reducing cost burdens because we don’t really want to talk about the actual problem.

An item in Washington Monthly profiling San Francisco’s Jane Kim discusses her run for state insurance commissioner with a bold idea, public disaster insurance inspired by New Zealand’s natural hazards cover program. Private insurers would still provide most coverage, but a disaster layer would be added on top above the median California home value.

But if those extra payments might not be enough to cover the cost of a disaster, that idea could open up the state, and taxpayers, to great financial risk, which impacts other interests in the long run such as bond funding for housing or transportation investments.

There’s a lot of interesting ideas and thoughts in the article so I do suggest reading the it, but the real discussion that we need to have begins at the bottom of the page with a passing glance. Avoidance. Addressing climate change and our built environment.

No one really wants to talk about what it would take to make insurance or housing or transportation affordable because it would require tradeoffs and tough choices. And the way things are going we’ll keep coming up with new ideas that aren’t fixing the original problem and might actually compound them as we add more layers of bureaucracy and regulation.

I realize if you’re reading this I’m probably telling you things you may already think and know. But we can’t keep expecting the emergency room to cure us when the work on our health should have started years before. The best time to start is now, so for the insurance problem, let’s look at the systemic issue of how we’ve laid out how we live and start from there.

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Episode 195: Mondays at The Overhead Wire – Han Solo Returns

July 13, 2026

This week on the Mondays show Han Solo is back and we’re going through some news from the last month or so.  Some really super interesting items to share in news format from what’s in the ROAD to Housing Act that recently passed, night time transportation, the difference between Costco and Amazon logistics, and what makes an authentic place.  There’s much much more so how about diving in?

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(Unedited) Podcast Transcript 585: Bill Fulton and the Future of Where

July 8, 2026

This Week on the Talking Headways podcast we’re joined by Bill Fulton who has worn many hats including mayor, planning director, think tank director, publisher, professor and currently can be found writing on Substack at The Future of Where. We chat the impacts of work from home on cities, changing migration patterns and the south’s new role as the “National Suburb”, tax policy and burdens, 100 years of zoning law, and much much more.

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And below is a full unedited AI generated transcript, that’s pretty good actually…

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